No.5848
Yes
No.6410
Saving this G E M
No.6551
Jiren the goddamn Gray. This guy... God, he's just such an amazing fucking character. Not only did he establish himself as the strongest character in the franchise WITHOUT asspulls and "muh friendship" powerups, but his mere existence and the observation of his actions and personality can teach deep lessons of philosophy and ethical nuance if one has the proper intellectual capacity and mental fortitude to embrace such lessons.
No lie: since becoming a Jiren fanatic, my IQ has gone up an unprecedented 20 points. My friend is an English professor at an esteemed institute of wisdom and knowledge, and he deemed my incredible lexicon and masterful grasp of the English language astute enough for me to come in and guest lecture on a subject I could relate to the importance of the written word. Naturally, I chose Jiren the Gray. I can't tell you how amazing it was to see all the heretofore unenlightened individuals and the looks of pure, innocent understand that came over their faces as I elucidated the truth about the single greatest and most important character in all of fiction. A philosophy professor happened to overhear my musings and invited me to guest lecture in his class next week, so I'll probably spend the next few days preparing a lengthy expose on how Jiren's characterization espouses themes heavily present in esotericism and dichotomism, as well as the more subtle but no less evident influences stemming from ancient religious codes such as Zoroastrianism and Confucianism.
None of this would have been possible without Jiren the GREAT'S influence. I humbly thank him from bended knee, and encourage you all to do the same. Rise to my intellectual heights by accepting Jiren into your hearts. Ascend, brethren.
No.6554
What sets Jiren apart from other heroic characters are his flaws. His affliction with PTSD causes him to be antisocial and misanthropic, which contrasts heavily with the team-oriented nature of the Pride Troopers and their goals of meting out justice. His stoicism, pragmatism, and goal-oriented behavior puts him at odds with his teammates, all of whom favor cooperation and bolstering each other so as to eliminate any singular weaknesses. Jiren seeks to cultivate his strength to the point where he HAS no weaknesses, and up until the Tournament of Power, he believes he has reached that level. This is why, when he is proved wrong, he lashes out at the stands. The attack on Goku's friends is symbolic in nature, representing Jiren's attack on his own feelings of self-doubt and inadequacy. The only way he knows has been turned on its head, and the only course of action available to him is to use his superior strength to grind this esoteric threat into the dust. It's a masterful and fascinating character moment for an already incredibly-nuanced and interesting character.
No.6555
The thing that sets Jiren apart from all other antagonists is you CANNOT beat him no matter what you do. In a competition of pure strength, you are FUCKED, because this man has strength surpassing the GoDs. You are NOT going to overpower him. So what, you rely on your martial arts prowess to close the gap? NOPE. He'll just up the ante and outspeed you, completely nullifying every technique you have and matching--surpassing you--blow for blow. Okay, fuck it, it's not all about technique and raw power, right? You can just channel all your energy into an attack that far surpasses what you'd be able to do with physical blows. Oh, but look, he TANKED it. GLARED at it, stopped it in its tracks, and took NO damage. Okay, this is getting FUCKING ridiculous, so let's just go for a gimmick power that we've crafted for just such an occasion, something that defies conventional limitations of pure power output. He can't do anything if he's frozen in time, right? Well, yes, but remember the INCREDIBLE strength I mentioned earlier? Yeah, he's so fucking strong he can CRUSH TIME ITSELF just by gripping hard enough, so FUCK your pitiful gimmicks. That's it. Fuck this. It's time to call upon MC powers and pull out not one, but TWO asspull transformations that are stated to be able to defeat ANYONE. Yeah, it's a little underhanded and cheap, but now victory is assured! Except NO it's FUCKING NOT, and Jiren just OVERPOWERS the transformation by simply WILLING HIMSELF TO BECOME STRONGER.
That's it. DONE. There is NOTHING you can do. You better PRAY that if you ever come face to face with Jiren on the battlefield, it's during some stupid minigame that has ring-out rules, because otherwise you are FUCKED.
No.6556
No one will ever replicate what Chadren did. He was literally an unstoppable force and immovable object. He was pure, absolute strength. Every technique, every trick and gimmick, every asspull, he was unfazed by. A spirit bomb by SSBKK Goku was easily repelled. Frozen in time? Who cares, he's like, stronger than time. Goku finally asspulls Ultra Instinct, and it does fucking nothing against a barely-even-trying Jiren. Unlocking new power doesn't help, fighting smart doesn't help, he facetanks beams, he beats people up by just looking at them. They unlock new powers, they team up to fight him together, it doesn't fucking matter. Nothing they do can reach his might. No antagonist has ever felt this far above what the protagonists could muster. He was truly a juggernaught. And Broly? This pencil-necked, bitch mowgli looking fucker gets manhandled by base Vegeta. YAMETE BEJITA-SAMA YOU'RE HURTING MY HANDS! Jesus fucking christ. Oh, but he grows stronger while fighting! That makes it okay. Oh wait, he STILL gets blown the fuck out, shitstomped by Gogeta to the point he has to get RESCUED by his bitch, trembling with FEAR.
No.6557
Let me scholastically SCHOOL you on the incontrovertible superiority of CHADren's design. On the surface, it appears very simplistic and possibly even generic, a pass� take on the popular conception of what extraterrestrials may look like. This, of course, is the outlook of those less learned and knowledgeable of Dragon Ball: to create powerful characters with simplistic and and basic designs is Toriyama's hallmark, and, upon closer scrutiny, Jiren's rather unremarkable design perfectly reflects his character: a simple warrior with but one goal--to achieve ultimate strength. He isn't interested in recognition and fanfare; he has no time for flashy transformations and techniques that merely imitate growth. No, it is his personal desire to FACILITATE growth: spiritual growth, physical growth, and intellectual growth. A rather straightforward and simple goal, much like his overall design. Those with genre savvy or a sharp enough intellect could immediately glean various aspects of Jiren's character simply by laying eyes on him.
Too, his color scheme reflects his inner virtues: crimson, symbolizing his passion for and unwavering belief in attaining his goals (and sharing its color with his aura) and black, obviously symbolizing the bottomless void and never-ending journey of bettering oneself--a journey that never truly ends. Even his gray skin--far from simply being a ripoff of the grays that were so popular in the 50s--symbolizes his ultimate neutrality, being itself a neutral color. He's not interested in fame, fortune, conquering, or dominating: like gray symbolizes, Jiren seeks only to achieve his goals without the burden of interpersonal ties or outside distractions.
No.6558
>"The problem with Jiren is that for 99% of his screen time, he's not a character. He's a wall, a block, a gate. He's only there to block progress and because he was told to, nothing else. You can't make a wall engaging."
These are the musings of a "man" I happened upon during my travels. Clearly, the "argument" here is towards the detriment of one's enjoyment of Jiren, "asserting" that there is nothing to be learned from or enthused of. I found it particularly enlightening towards the study of the kind of person who looks upon the Great Work that is Jiren and feels nothing, instead making obfuscating excuses for why the majesty is lost to them. What would a Hun do if he looked upon the gilded gates of God, if not simply spit upon them and leave?
To touch upon the statement, is there denial that Jiren poses as an obstacle in the paths of our heroes? Of course not. It is irrefutable that Jiren is yet another hurdle for Goku and his allies to overcome. But that is precisely why Jiren is so endearing, he IS a wall, personified. Because of the idiotic whims of our lead character (who I'll abstain from referring to as "hero" for reasons that I will make evident later), he is forced into a colosseum against his will. WHY would his personal motives and goals be significant to his enemies? He is there to be fought and beaten, then possibly forgotten. But the reverse is thereby true, Jiren has no need to worry about his opponent's hopes and dreams. But therein is the fundamental principle that makes or breaks one's opinion of The Grey...
Jiren does not care.
He does not care how many dragons you have slain in your quests.
He does not care how many loved ones you have risen from the ashes from.
He does not care how much time you have spent honing your own ability.
His power exists, whether you understand it or not. He has been placed in your path, whether you like it or not.
No.6560
I feel like a huge reason people misunderstand Jiren's characterization and subsequently dismiss it as "bland", "boring", and "generic" is that they don't recognize the meticulously-crafted nuances that give him form. This isn't an insult; newcomers--also known as "casuals" to the more uncouth individuals--are unfamiliar with shonen tropes, and only regurgitate what they perceive as ultimate truths as a result of blind hearsay. Again, this is not meant as an insult: ignorance in and of itself is not an imperfection. It is only when that ignorance germinates and blossoms into WILLFUL ignorance that it becomes detrimental to one's continued existence as a worthwhile member of humanity.
Jiren the Gray transcends the quintessential tropes of a shonen character who lost someone important to him/her and seeks to atone and rise above this tragedy. He does not cleave to his deceased master's teachings as if they are gospel merely because he was unable to safe him; he instead crafted his own ideals, virtues, and motivations in the way he saw as most advantageous in regards to accomplishing his ultimate goal: to utterly, WITHOUT FAIL, espouse his master's teachings. Jiren is not beholden to Gicchin's viewpoints or personal, individual ideals: he instead recognizes that his fallen master would want him to walk his own path, regardless of the possible and probable contradicting vectors their respective moral codes could cross.
This, more than anything else, cements Jiren as his own character--indeed, his own man. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps, using his beloved master's demise not as a crutch, but as a singular motivation to reinforce HIS OWN beliefs, HIS OWN ways of life, while at the same time deftly weaving Gicchin's persona into his own mode of existence.
Jiren is more than a character in a legendarily-influential shonen story that will never be surpassed. He is an ideal. A belief. A way of life.
He is the summit.
No.6561
To understand Jiren's full power, one must first understand the unbelievable gap between his Limit Break and his ordinary self.
When Jiren is introduced, he makes quick work of SSBKK, a U7 Spirit Bomb, among other things. At this point Whis already says Jiren surpasses the level of the GoD. I need to point out here that you CANNOT be about the level of a GoD if there are GoD's stronger than you. The whole statement wouldn't make sense. So Jiren is stronger than EVERY GoD, even Beerus. But this was implied already when Belmod, who was called stronger than Beerus, was stated weaker than Jiren.
We also see Jiren shrug off SSBKK Goku and SSBE Vegeta in a 2v1, literally being on the advantage the whole time. SSBE Vegeta was capable of beating GoD Toppo, who is stated to be "no different from a regular GoD". Even if you want to argue that he's the weakest of the GoDs, he is still definitely on their level. Since Vegeta beat him, that means both Goku and Vegeta are on that level. So Jiren was winning against BOTH of these at the same time. He was effectively fending off two Gods of Destruction simultaneously. Now, here's the thing. This whole time Jiren is holding back his full power. Him being above the GoD level, beating GoD-level opponents, all of this happened while his ki was suppressed.
Once he does unleash his full power everything changes. His opponents (GoD level) are literal ants to him. He FACETANKS their beam attacks and almost KO's all of them merely by flaring his aura. Not even an "Owari Da" ki attack, just bursting his AURA is enough to wreck GoD level opponents.
No.8816
Jiren sat in silence, performing his daily meditation. GOD, he was so FUCKING handsome.
The phone rang, interrupting his thoughts. He quickly answered.
"Hello, is this the National Kiss Starvation Prevention Lifeline?" said the caller, obviously a woman.
"Why the FUCK did you just ask me that, little BITCH!?" growled Jiren. "Didn't you READ the FUCKING leaflet? Learn ENGLISH, FUCKING SPIC."
"W-what?! I thought you were here to help! M-my name's Chi-Chi, and my husband has never kissed me, even though we've been married for--"
"Shut the FUCK UP. BOOM."
"Please, I need help! I don't think I'll last much longer--"
"SILENCE, DOG," commanded Jiren. "Cease thy filthy canid blathering, and return to thy kennel, with nary a remonstration, or face the fullness of your master's GODLIKE WRATH."
"W-what kind of lunatic are you!? Can't you see I need help!?"
"What the FUCK did you just say to your MOST SUPERIOR master, you disgusting, drooling, subhuman canine? You dare? You fucking DARE open your spittle-laden floppy muzzle and espouse such inordinate, contumacious, vitriolic utterances in the presence of your DIVINE and GODLIKE master?"
"This is ridiculous!" Chi-Chi shrieked.
"CONCESSION ACCEPTED, dog," laughed Jiren. "Perhaps next time you'll THINK before toying with the Alpha of Awe, the Brute of Brawn, the Cultivator of Class, the Duke of Domination, the Emperor of Eloquence--"
Chi-Chi died of Kiss Starvation the next day.
No.9934
I kneel...
No.11117
>>5847HAHAHAHAHA look its SHITREN the WEAK
No.12360
J
No.12361
Should my peripheral vision suffer obtrusion stemming from thy intrusion; thy piteous life shalt reach a premature resolution.
Expletives abound, yet none in my repertoire I had found, to eloquently expound how much your brittle skull I'd love to pound.
The superincumbent nous I instinctively espouse facilitates to arouse bombastic intelligentsia, little mouse.
BOOM is the sound that heralds your DOOM, and your psyche falls to a GLOOM as you helplessly bawl in your little ROOM.
I see you are taken aback, from witnessing this terrifying wit you lack. Rest easy, for you shan't suffer flak, it isn't thy fault your skin is near-black.
His name is RENNY RENNY RENREN, the biggest amongst all MEN. His unparalleled acuMEN is what earned him is cognomen.
He rarely smiles, but when he does, the brownies he riles. He ignores their wiles, as in their mind he is at all whiles.
His peers call him BOSS. His laurel wreath's mighty gloss, and its leaves, his angular temple they emboss, quite like a verdant moss.
People wonder: "Why is he so TALL?", he's built like a granite WALL. When they see him, the manlets BAWL and their women to his feet they CRAWL.
All the masses convert to be his fans, as he stimulates their adrenal glans. Audience as wide as his wingspans. His fights tend to induce a trance and women fall for him with just a glance.
His enticing aesthetics is what rile up the heretics. Compelling allure belies a sense of demure.
PIGren the OVERWEIGHT, said paco with his BAIT. But his muscles are ORNATE and his physique is so GREAT, it causes Paco's teeth to GRATE.
BOOOOOOOOM AND ABSQUATULATE, ILLITERATE!
No.12363
Res quae Jiren seorsum ab omnibus aliis antagonistis ponit est non potes eum verberare quaecumque facis. In agone purae fortitudinis es fututor, quod hic vires superat Deos. Non superabis eum. Quid igitur, bellicis artibus freti hiatum claudere? NON. Ipse te solum exspirat et antecedit, omnem omnino artem quam habes et adaptat — supereminens — ictu ictui. Bene, futuis eam, nonne de omnibus ars et potentia rudis est, ius? Totam navitatem tuam in impetum incidere potes, qui longe superat id quod corporis ictu facere velis. Oh, sed vide, TANTUM. At torveus illud restitit in vestigiis, et nullam molestiam tulit. Bene, hoc ridiculum est FUCKING questus, ut eamus ad gimmick potentiam quae talem occasionem ficti fecimus, aliquid quod limitationes conventionales purae potentiae output respuit. Quidquam potest facere si recte tempore friget? Esto, sed memor incredibilis supra memoravi virium? Yeah, ita stupri fortis est, TEMPUS IPSE ipsum solum durum satis mordicus tenere potest, ita vernum miserabiles tuos FUCK. Id est. Pedicabo hoc. Tempus est vocandi MC potestates et non unam, sed duas conversiones aspellendi quae affirmantur aliquem vincere posse. Yeah, parum est deceptus et vilis, sed nunc certa victoria! Nisi NO FUCKING NON EST, et Jiren tantum transformationem superat, per se solum valere volendo.
Id est. FACTA. Nihil facere potes. MELIORE ORATE ut si quando obviam cum Jiren in acie occurris, est in aliquo stulto minigame quod anulum habet regulae, quia aliter fututor.
No.12365
His posture, his build, his proportions, his NECK his voice, his laconism, his gorgeous eyes, his philosophy, his heroism, his sense of justice, the Pride Troopers, his unmeasurable strength, his fiery shiny aura contrasts with his skin in an aesthetic way, his unique design within the DB universe, his mysterious eye powers, his stoicism even in the midst of battle, his lack of cliche villain monologues, his peerless resilience, his feats, his bro relation with Broppo.
And I could go on. What's there not to like? He is by far the best antagonist this taco-pandering shonen has birthed.
>but h-his story is simple haha
Yeah because every other antagonists has a Shakespearean story. Broly is a literal dog. Hit is just an assassin with time powers and Moro is a bad goat.
Start lifting, eat green leafy vegetables, take care of your skin, take vitamin D (sun gives you cancer), produce some fucking TESTOSTERONE and I'm sure you'll start to like him as well.
*shck shck* BOOM.
No.12367
Where to begin? Perhaps we should start with Jiren's design. On the surface, it appears very simplistic and possibly even generic, a passé take on the popular conception of what extraterrestrials may look like. This, of course, is the outlook of those less learned and knowledgeable of Dragon Ball: to create powerful characters with simplistic and and basic designs is Toriyama's hallmark, and, upon closer scrutiny, Jiren's rather unremarkable design perfectly reflects his character: a simple warrior with but one goal--to achieve ultimate strength. He isn't interested in recognition and fanfare; he has no time for flashy transformations and techniques that merely imitate growth. No, it is his personal desire to FACILITATE growth: spiritual growth, physical growth, and intellectual growth. A rather straightforward and simple goal, much like his overall design. Those with genre savvy or a sharp enough intellect could immediately glean various aspects of Jiren's character simply by laying eyes on him.
Too, his color scheme reflects his inner virtues: crimson, symbolizing his passion for and unwavering belief in attaining his goals (and sharing its color with his aura) and black, obviously symbolizing the bottomless void and never-ending journey of bettering oneself--a journey that never truly ends. Even his gray skin--far from simply being a ripoff of the grays that were so popular in the 50s--symbolizes his ultimate neutrality, being itself a neutral color. He's not interested in fame, fortune, conquering, or dominating: like gray symbolizes, Jiren seeks only to achieve his goals without the burden of interpersonal ties or outside distractions.
Now, on to the meat of this fascinating character. At first glance, Jiren seems standoffish, stoic, and perhaps unfriendly and selfish. Upon the revelation of his backstory, we learn that his master and family were killed by a villain that Jiren was powerless to stop. His master--the man who instilled within Jiren his passion for and love of martial arts and the cultivation of pure, inner strength--was taken from him by an evildoer, and in that moment Jiren realized two things. One: Caring about ANYTHING is meaningless without wielding the requisite might to protect it, and two: Living a life unfettered by close emotional ties serves to protect one from pain and minimizes distractions that seeks to deter one in their quest for personal growth.
In layman's terms: Jiren is heavily afflicted with PTSD. His trauma, while it doesn't fully control him, certainly plays a part in his overall nature and how he holds himself. He has formed a group of do-gooders with like-minded individuals, but he isn't close to any of them, nor is he close to any of those he saves beyond the usual "hero-victim" relationship. What appears to be a simple rude and standoffish character is eventually revealed to be yet another aspect of his complex and dual nature--Jiren WANTS to be free from the burden of the past, he WANTS to blindly place faith and trust in his friends and make that a part of his power as Goku does, but he can't. He simply cannot. And this is why he's so angered by the Saiyan's mere presence, as well as the reason behind his attack on the stands upon realizing he was losing their battle. Jiren wasn't lashing out at Goku's friends: he was lashing out at his own insecurities, trying to destroy his past demons in the only way he knows how--by brandishing the immense strength that was, ironically, cultivated as a result of those same demons.
No.12368
You can NOT define thyself as a true human being if you take glee in indulging in pedophiliac activities such as condoning "moe" manure.
You are objectively astray at the mind if you feel arousal from anthropomorphic fauna.
You should do a colossal effort to summon enough self-awareness to realize your low IQ does NOT mean you have to spam /b/ tier trash here just for some (you)s.
Falseflagging is NOT amusing to any parties involved.
The manga is an objectively inferior product, encompassing all aspects such as: Production value, popularity, budget, critics score, influence, canonicity, lore consistency, art quality, and release frequency.
If you ban evade –which you should– do not flaunt it like a little fucking kid who just found out a new way to cheat in his favorite console game.
If you so much as utter the pedophiliac jargon, such as "kino" or "anon", you do NOT belong here.
If you're hurt by verbal attacks such as racism, you do NOT belong here.
If you're incapable of cultivating the great habit of sporting good grammar and punctuation, you do NOT belong here.
Only DB material is allowed here. Any other sub-par trash belongs in the pedophiliac catalog, and should be denied on sight.
OG DB and GT are objectively the worst part of the franchise. Similar values of canonicity.
I hath spoken.
No.12372
>>12367Nigga I hope this are all copypastas and you arent this much of a weird nerd
No.12404
>>12372>whiteboi saying nigga on the internetnigga stfu sit yo ass down
No.12988
Gem goes up
No.12998
Jiren the Gray was raped in the sweltering hot summer of ‘92.
No.12999
>>12998>TARDkurat fantasiesIntriguing...
No.13000
Jiren was found dead in his apartment at approximately 4:30pm on the 11th of May, 2007 after a concerned neighbour went to check on him. Jiren had reportedly not left his home at all in the 16 days prior to the discovery of his body.
No.13001
>>12372>IESLB>zero punctuation Holy SHIT this is too easy.
You? Brown as SHIT.
Me? White as FUARK.
No.13003
>>13002>ProjectionD? one.
No.14501
>>13006W to the H to the O?
J to the I to the R and E all the way to the N.
Enji RENJI PAPPY CHADDY ROO COO.
SWING IT BABY JENNY ROO!
DADDY WARDY WOO HOO!